{"id":4351,"date":"2016-07-30T13:31:39","date_gmt":"2016-07-30T19:31:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=4351"},"modified":"2023-07-01T16:27:22","modified_gmt":"2023-07-01T22:27:22","slug":"genesis-215-part-six","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=4351","title":{"rendered":"Genesis 2:15 \u2014 Part Six"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"entry-content\">\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\">Meanwhile, I sent my lessons to another reviewer. He is a \u201ctheologian\u201d with an M.Div. from Trinity and a good grasp of the original languages and all the tools to consult. Here is his reply.<\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">On \u201cput\u201d meaning \u201ccaused to rest\u201d: Checking my Hebrew-English reference works I find that \u201crest\u201d is one of the meanings of this word, but the particular form of the Hebrew verb in this verse and the fact that it is used in association with a person (him) and a location (in the garden) strongly points to the meaning \u201cput\u201d, as all the translations (including the Septuagint) render it in this verse and the two standard Hebrew reference works I checked confirm (with examples of verses with similar grammatical construction).\u00a0 The solution to the problem posed is not to get work removed from Gen 2 (and thereby make it a consequence of the fall and a part of the curse \u2014 which I think biblically is a false idea, for work is an inherently good thing, for God himself worked in creation).\u00a0 But the work before the fall was not burdensome and sweaty.\u00a0 After the fall it was so, because of hindrances to productive work (in the sinful nature of man, and in the cursed creation).\u00a0 When we finish the verse the way they have rendered it, it makes no sense.\u00a0 He \u201cmade him rest in the garden to till it and keep it\u201d (the Hebrew construction here clearly means that \u201cto\u201d means \u201cfor the purpose of\u201d) So, He made Adam rest to work?\u00a0 That is not what God is saying here.\u00a0 And we certainly don\u2019t want children to get the idea that work is a result of the curse!<\/span><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\">I\u2019m no scholar, but this seems to be largely circular reasoning again. There are also other issues:<\/h3>\n<ul style=\"text-align: justify;\">\n<li>\n<h3>God\u2019s work in creation certainly wasn\u2019t work in the sense of obligation, so it\u2019s not really the same thing at all.<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h3>There\u2019s no support for the idea that there was non-burdensome, non-sweaty work before the fall except this verse.<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h3>I never said God \u201cmade him rest in the garden to till it and keep it.&#8221; The first part of my lesson is linked to the rest of the lesson. It\u2019s all one argument.<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h3>He agrees that this verse serves as a purpose statement. But what makes more sense \u2014 That God put man in the garden for the purpose of working, or that God wanted man to rest in Him and worship and serve Him. As I showed in the lesson, resting in God and worshiping and serving Him are our purpose after the fall. It makes no sense that man had a different, less-meaningful purpose before the fall.<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\">The theologian continues on the subject of \u201cdress\u201d:<\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">But the same word is use in <a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=4489\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Gen. 2:5<\/span><\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=4546\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">3:23<\/span><\/a> and it does not mean there \u201cworship the ground\u201d but till or cultivate the ground.\u00a0 Context rules out the translation \u201cworship,\u201d again as all the Bible translations would confirm, including the Septuagint.<\/span><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\">I\u2019ve already addressed the <a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=4489\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Genesis 2:5<\/span><\/a> usage, and <a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=4546\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">3:23<\/span><\/a> was post-fall and obviously a different activity. I disagree with his context argument in Genesis 2:15.<\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\">He goes on to discuss my conclusion:<\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Work wasn\u2019t needed to fight weeds, but work was perhaps given to man for man\u2019s sake (as the ruler of creation), not for the ground\u2019s sake, and could have prepared the ground to receive seeds from the plants that God made and possibly to prune them to bear more fruit.\u00a0 We can\u2019t be certain of the nature of the work.\u00a0 But this [my RWO interpretation] way of rendering Genesis 2:15 finds almost no scholarly support that I can see (though one of my OT profs, argued this way about the verse as part of his old-earth interpretation of Genesis and John Gill (on-line Bible) indicates that a few rabbis may have viewed it this way, although the Septuagint doesn\u2019t.<\/span><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\">He starts his comment by saying \u201cperhaps\u201d and later says \u201cWe can\u2019t be certain,\u201d which makes his interpretation as much speculation as mine is. He goes on to say that the RWO view has almost no scholarly support, then proceeds to state two people (plus however many rabbis) who do support it.<\/h3>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Meanwhile, I sent my lessons to another reviewer. He is a \u201ctheologian\u201d with an M.Div. from Trinity and a good grasp of the original languages and all the tools to consult. Here is his reply. On \u201cput\u201d meaning \u201ccaused to &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=4351\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[27],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4351","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-genesis"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4351","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=4351"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4351\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":8046,"href":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4351\/revisions\/8046"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=4351"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=4351"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=4351"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}