{"id":3538,"date":"2014-12-26T09:23:13","date_gmt":"2014-12-26T15:23:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=3538"},"modified":"2023-04-17T16:15:01","modified_gmt":"2023-04-17T22:15:01","slug":"2-timothy-211-13","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=3538","title":{"rendered":"2 Timothy 2:11-13"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3><em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">11 This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him.<\/span><\/em><\/h3>\n<h3><em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">12 If we endure, we shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us.<\/span><\/em><\/h3>\n<h3><em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.<\/span><\/em><\/h3>\n<h3>this is a faithful saying (v.11) = lit. &#8220;faithful is the saying&#8221; = trustworthy is the word \u2014 the word refers back to what was said in the previous verses<\/h3>\n<h3>for (v.11) \u2014 looking back at <a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=3536\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">verses 8-10<\/span><\/a><\/h3>\n<h3>if (4x in vs. 11-13) = &#8220;in light of the fact&#8221; \u2014 a fulfilled condition, a past fact<\/h3>\n<h3>if we died with Him (v.11) \u2014 <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><a style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"http:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=324\">Romans 6:1-10<\/a><\/span><\/h3>\n<h3>we shall &#8230; live with Him (v.11) = lit. &#8220;we shall live by means of Him&#8221; (<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><a style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"http:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=335\">Romans 6:8<\/a><\/span>)<\/h3>\n<h3>endure (v.12) = persevere<\/h3>\n<h3>reign (v.12) = reign as king<\/h3>\n<h3>deny (v.12) = disown<\/h3>\n<h3>I believe Paul is using a play on words here. If we deny (disown) Him, He also will deny (deny us the reward we no longer deserve) us &#8230; He cannot deny (be unfaithful to) Himself.<\/h3>\n<h3>deny (v.13) = prove false to oneself<\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;<em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">For if we be dead with Him, we shall also live with Him<\/span><\/em>.&#8221; <span style=\"color: #008000;\">i.e., if by faith we recognize His death as our death, and have thus died with Him (<\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><a style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"http:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=326\">Romans 6:3<\/a><\/span><span style=\"color: #008000;\">), we shall also share in His resurrection life and thus in His &#8220;eternal glory.&#8221; All this is part of the special message of grace committed to the apostle Paul.<\/span><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">But in addition to salvation by grace, there are rewards the believer may earn by faithful conduct and service for Christ. Thus the apostle goes on to say: &#8220;<\/span><em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">If we suffer<\/span><\/em> <span style=\"color: #008000;\">[i.e., with Him]<\/span><em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">, we shall also reign with Him; if we deny Him, He also will deny us (v.12).<\/span><\/em><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">This has nothing to do with salvation by grace, but rather with our Christian conduct and testimony, by which we may one day &#8220;receive a reward&#8221; or &#8220;suffer loss&#8221; (<\/span><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><a style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"http:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=2231\">1 Corinthians 3:14-15<\/a><\/span><span style=\"color: #008000;\">). As if anticipating any doubts which believers may entertain as to this, Paul continues:<\/span> <em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">If we believe not, yet He abideth faithful: He cannot deny Himself (v.13).<\/span><\/em><\/h3>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: justify;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">The words &#8220;believe not&#8221; here are the opposite of the word &#8220;faithful&#8221; in the same verse. Indeed, the words &#8220;belief&#8221; and &#8220;faith&#8221; are often used interchangeably in the KJV. Thus the sense is: &#8220;If we are unfaithful, yet He abideth faithful: He cannot deny Himself.&#8221; And thus salvation by grace, through faith, is distinguished from rewards for faithfulness.&#8221; \u2014 Stam, page 184.<\/span><\/h3>\n<h3>The context of this passage is Paul encouraging Timothy to<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<h3>stay strong (<a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=3530\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">v.1<\/span><\/a>)<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h3>continue to preach Paul&#8217;s gospel (<a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=3530\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">v.2<\/span><\/a>)<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h3>endure hardship (<a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=3532\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">v.3<\/span><\/a>)<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h3>not be entangled with the affairs of this world (<a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=3532\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">v.4<\/span><\/a>)<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h3>train according to the rules (<a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=3532\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">v.5<\/span><\/a>)<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h3>work hard (<a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=3532\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">v.6<\/span><\/a>)<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h3>suffer trouble (<a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=3536\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">v.9<\/span><\/a>)<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<h3>endure all things (<a href=\"https:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=3536\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">v.10<\/span><\/a>)<\/h3>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3>So, it&#8217;s obvious that Paul isn&#8217;t talking about salvation in verses 11-13. <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><a style=\"color: #ff0000;\" href=\"http:\/\/versebyverse.carpelibra.org\/?p=2231\">1 Corinthians 3:14-15<\/a> <\/span>is enlightening.<\/h3>\n<h3><em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><sup>14\u00a0<\/sup>If anyone\u2019s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.<\/span><\/em><\/h3>\n<h3><em><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><sup>15\u00a0<\/sup>If anyone\u2019s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.<\/span><\/em><\/h3>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>11 This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him. 12 If we endure, we shall also reign with Him. 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